3 Women (Robert Altman, 1977, USA)
Ben Livant:
As you handed me this film you said it was Altman's Persona. A couple days before watching it, I brought up the topic of Mulholland Drive. Quite a coincidence. If 3 Women (1977) is a child of that Bergman picture - and even the most basic DNA testing establishes this patrimony - it just as clearly is a parent of the Lynch picture. This retrospective specific connection aside, 3W is certainly Lynch-like in general. Eraserhead came out the same year. Before 3W?[ed. note: the films were released within one month of each other, so it is likely they were filmed at the same time. Something in the water?] If so, maybe it was an example for Altman of just how bad-dream a movie can be.
Just so happens I flashed on another film from '77 while watching this one, Herzog's Stroszek. The whole hick, dusty American dream gone bad in a decidedly demented bad-dream way; the West gone to seed and people sort of shape-shifting into increasingly vacant versions of each other. The angel of death descends upon Stroszek in the final act and it shows up at the close of 3W too.
Not a big surprise. A foreboding darkness attends 3W from the start. The character who dies in the end may inspire speculations on why, for those wanting to extract from the film's identity-morphing some feminist line of thought. I can not even begin to attempt this. The whole thing is for me a tepid nightmare, gives us chilly shivers in warm water.
From the dangerous swimming pools at work and the apartment block, to the rhubarb-rhubarb hateful murmuring of the patronizing social environs, and the horrid recipes for plastic food, the burnt-out amusement park as a gathering place for emotional ghosts... and of course, the unspoken ominous undertow of the third woman, who eventually surfaces to leave us with an even weirder tripartite revolving doppelgänger hen house. 3W is a daytime horror movie.
Why did Altman cast Spacek? Because she has just done Carrie the year before. Why did Kubrick cast Duvall in The Shining. Because she had previously been in 3W. It's a horror movie, I say. You can intellectualize subconscious surrealism, blah blah blah, or interpret recurring images in terms of some sort of symbolism, yadda yadda, or regard the incoherence of the events as a metaphor for existential alienation, whatever. Were you or were you not creeped out watching this film? I sure was. It's spooky business with no direction home. Remarkably affecting.
Without ever addressing the issue of insanity, even implicitly, the film is seriously disturbing because it provides no basis for us to determine what constitutes mental stability. Buddhism says the ego, the self, personal identity, call it what you will, Buddhism says it is an illusion. If so, it is a necessary illusion. For sanity! And the more disillusioned we are made by 3W, the more frightening it is. With the sun out.
Doesn't even begin to touch the profound depths of Persona. Much deeper than the flashy surfaces of Mulholland Drive. On par and would make a good double-bill with Kieslowski's Double Life of Veronique; that being the Eros-moist half of the screening, 3W being the Thanatos-dripping compliment. An unsettling, off-kilter mood piece of doom, 3W is hard to like but impossible to forget.
Dan Jardine:
Other than stepping in to come to the defense of my much-beloved Mulholland Dr. (back off, mister) I don't have much to add to this other than: Pretty much! Just as MD dwells in the disturbed recesses of the damaged psyche of an aspiring starlet in order to address the corrosive role played by the Hollywood dream factory on said dreamers, 3M, while relocating to the American heartland, takes a similar tack, dropping us in the nightmare reality of its similarly unhinged protagonist in order to question...what, exactly? This is the almighty question. The film insinuates itself into your skull, and earwig-like proceeds to consume all you thought you knew of ontological security.
Weird. Trippy. Horrific. Befuddling. Maddening. Almost certainly great. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you: 3 Women
Ben Livant:
Just so happens I flashed on another film from '77 while watching this one, Herzog's Stroszek. The whole hick, dusty American dream gone bad in a decidedly demented bad-dream way; the West gone to seed and people sort of shape-shifting into increasingly vacant versions of each other. The angel of death descends upon Stroszek in the final act and it shows up at the close of 3W too.
Not a big surprise. A foreboding darkness attends 3W from the start. The character who dies in the end may inspire speculations on why, for those wanting to extract from the film's identity-morphing some feminist line of thought. I can not even begin to attempt this. The whole thing is for me a tepid nightmare, gives us chilly shivers in warm water.
From the dangerous swimming pools at work and the apartment block, to the rhubarb-rhubarb hateful murmuring of the patronizing social environs, and the horrid recipes for plastic food, the burnt-out amusement park as a gathering place for emotional ghosts... and of course, the unspoken ominous undertow of the third woman, who eventually surfaces to leave us with an even weirder tripartite revolving doppelgänger hen house. 3W is a daytime horror movie.
Why did Altman cast Spacek? Because she has just done Carrie the year before. Why did Kubrick cast Duvall in The Shining. Because she had previously been in 3W. It's a horror movie, I say. You can intellectualize subconscious surrealism, blah blah blah, or interpret recurring images in terms of some sort of symbolism, yadda yadda, or regard the incoherence of the events as a metaphor for existential alienation, whatever. Were you or were you not creeped out watching this film? I sure was. It's spooky business with no direction home. Remarkably affecting.
Without ever addressing the issue of insanity, even implicitly, the film is seriously disturbing because it provides no basis for us to determine what constitutes mental stability. Buddhism says the ego, the self, personal identity, call it what you will, Buddhism says it is an illusion. If so, it is a necessary illusion. For sanity! And the more disillusioned we are made by 3W, the more frightening it is. With the sun out.
Doesn't even begin to touch the profound depths of Persona. Much deeper than the flashy surfaces of Mulholland Drive. On par and would make a good double-bill with Kieslowski's Double Life of Veronique; that being the Eros-moist half of the screening, 3W being the Thanatos-dripping compliment. An unsettling, off-kilter mood piece of doom, 3W is hard to like but impossible to forget.
Dan Jardine:
Other than stepping in to come to the defense of my much-beloved Mulholland Dr. (back off, mister) I don't have much to add to this other than: Pretty much! Just as MD dwells in the disturbed recesses of the damaged psyche of an aspiring starlet in order to address the corrosive role played by the Hollywood dream factory on said dreamers, 3M, while relocating to the American heartland, takes a similar tack, dropping us in the nightmare reality of its similarly unhinged protagonist in order to question...what, exactly? This is the almighty question. The film insinuates itself into your skull, and earwig-like proceeds to consume all you thought you knew of ontological security.
Weird. Trippy. Horrific. Befuddling. Maddening. Almost certainly great. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you: 3 Women






























